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mrnick86 · 07-04-2007, 10:35 PM

i was just wondering about running isopropyl rubbing alcohol in a pocketbike, i think that it burns better and cooler and makes a lot more power. i was thinking about running it in my bike tommorow as an experiment... u dont need a special alcohol carb. to do that,do u? was wondering what kind of info you guys could give to me.

*Sleeves* · 07-04-2007, 11:57 PM

LMAO
no kidding ....... You know even if you succeed , i wouldn't do it !

But interested in what happens . Do you mix oil with the alcohol?
I would also have to ask , would it burn the same , meaning would it show the richness or leanness of the engine the same way as gas does on a spark plug.
Also would like to add , i am not a betting man , but i am going with a top end engine seize . Put on a lid , cause when your about to hit top speed i would hate to see ya hurt when the back tire locks up .

huckster · 07-05-2007, 09:05 AM

LOTS OF JETTING EXPIERMENTING REQUIRED TO DO ALCOHOL.GOOD LUCK, AND CHECK YOUR PLUG. USE VP 100 FUEL AS IT IS DESIGNED FOR 2 STROKE.

Specification Sheet: VP 110

Specific Gravity: .720-.735 @ 60°F

Leaded: Yes

Color: Purple

Motor Octane: 107.0

RVP: 6.6-6.8

Oxidation Stability (min.) 1440+

Distillation:
10% evap @ 145.0-149.0°F
50% evap @ 208.0-215.0°F
90% evap @ 220.0-227.0°F
E.P. @ 243.0-263.0°F

Production: Elmendorf, Texas USA

Availability: Sealed Drums

mrnick86 · 07-05-2007, 09:27 AM

i was thinking of mixing in some alcohol with the regular gas and oil mixture..like not pure alcohol or pure alcohol/oil.

Admin · 07-09-2007, 01:39 PM

Of course it can work, mixtures wold have to be researched however to ensure that you don't detonate your motor.

A bonus of running alcohol is that your motor runs cooler. The bad news is that two storkes (like all motors) have an optimum operating temperature, running alcohol may make the motor unable to reach this temp.

Also, a motor will burn more alcohol than gas, so consumption is up.

Bigbone57 · 07-09-2007, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Admin

Of course it can work, mixtures wold have to be researched however to ensure that you don't detonate your motor.

A bonus of running alcohol is that your motor runs cooler. The bad news is that two storkes (like all motors) have an optimum operating temperature, running alcohol may make the motor unable to reach this temp.

Also, a motor will burn more alcohol than gas, so consumption is up.

AdminDude did his homework. Attaschoolboy.
Homework sucks! But its nesessary.
Motors are easily converted to alcohol, but each motor is different.
The principal motor modification is the
enlargement of the carburetor jet(s).
With the jet removed You will want to enlarge the
area of the jet about 27% for ethanol and 40% for methanol.
In addition to the carburetor jets, there is
also the problem of cold starting.
Alcohol has a higher latent heat of
vaporization than gasoline.....
That said "If there is will, there is a way."
Ahhhhh screw it! I'd rather drink it!
Nurse another Gibsons please...
whats that, Inthelead83Dude hasn't sent it yet!
Noooooooooooooooooooooo! SpawnDude........!

Bigbone57 · 07-09-2007, 08:35 PM

http://www.permaculture.com/alcohol/...-320x240qt.mov

Thumper · 07-10-2007, 11:25 AM

well i would go and try it! But make sure you get the right mixture and the right jetting or your engine will have to say bye!

but yh, if you get it going. let us know!

suicidal_rider · 07-10-2007, 01:16 PM

hey, i was at part source the other day, and they have nitros that you would add to your gas mixture, said it was for 2 stroke race engines (gokarts, dirtbikes...) wouldn't that be the same thing as adding alcohol, except less problems?

frikin_bike! · 07-10-2007, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suicidal_rider

hey, i was at part source the other day, and they have nitros that you would add to your gas mixture, said it was for 2 stroke race engines (gokarts, dirtbikes...) wouldn't that be the same thing as adding alcohol, except less problems?

if its the same thing I have then no.. I have the octane boost from NOS and thats not nitrous... Nitrous Oxide is a gas and can't be added to fuel... it can be added to the air that is going in the carb though

07-04-2007, 10:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
mrnick86 Pocketbike Beginner Join Date: May 2007 My Gallery Real Name: nick Pocketbikes Owned: 1 Posts: 18	running alcohol in a pocket bike i was just wondering about running isopropyl rubbing alcohol in a pocketbike, i think that it burns better and cooler and makes a lot more power. i was thinking about running it in my bike tommorow as an experiment... u dont need a special alcohol carb. to do that,do u? was wondering what kind of info you guys could give to me.

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Sleeves Pocketbike Dealer Join Date: Oct 2005 My Gallery Real Name: ??? Pocketbikes Owned: 2 Location: winnipeg Posts: 2,551	LMAO no kidding ....... You know even if you succeed , i wouldn't do it ! But interested in what happens . Do you mix oil with the alcohol? I would also have to ask , would it burn the same , meaning would it show the richness or leanness of the engine the same way as gas does on a spark plug. Also would like to add , i am not a betting man , but i am going with a top end engine seize . Put on a lid , cause when your about to hit top speed i would hate to see ya hurt when the back tire locks up . __________________ TRC , Amra , Mra , Smra 06' P1 BMS competition BZM 15.5hp Open 50cc 05' DM Telai - ZPF 18 h.p Open 50cc 08' CBR125r 96' Gsx-r 600

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huckster Pocketbike Lord Join Date: Sep 2005 My Gallery Location: wpg Posts: 919	LOTS OF JETTING EXPIERMENTING REQUIRED TO DO ALCOHOL.GOOD LUCK, AND CHECK YOUR PLUG. USE VP 100 FUEL AS IT IS DESIGNED FOR 2 STROKE. Specification Sheet: VP 110 Specific Gravity: .720-.735 @ 60°F Leaded: Yes Color: Purple Motor Octane: 107.0 RVP: 6.6-6.8 Oxidation Stability (min.) 1440+ Distillation: 10% evap @ 145.0-149.0°F 50% evap @ 208.0-215.0°F 90% evap @ 220.0-227.0°F E.P. @ 243.0-263.0°F Production: Elmendorf, Texas USA Availability: Sealed Drums __________________ employed and past owner of rivercity. givver sleeves

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suicidal_rider Pocketbike Lord Join Date: Apr 2006 My Gallery Real Name: Jared Frizell Pocketbikes Owned: 4 Location: winnipeg, manitoba Posts: 726	hey, i was at part source the other day, and they have nitros that you would add to your gas mixture, said it was for 2 stroke race engines (gokarts, dirtbikes...) wouldn't that be the same thing as adding alcohol, except less problems? __________________ BigBone rider TeamRiverCity Rider Smra 40cc class winner I guess I had an overall finish of 3rd in the 40cc class(Pitster PRO) BUT ONLY CAUSE OF THE TEAM!

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07-05-2007, 09:27 AM	#4 (permalink)
mrnick86 Pocketbike Beginner Join Date: May 2007 My Gallery Real Name: nick Pocketbikes Owned: 1 Posts: 18	i was thinking of mixing in some alcohol with the regular gas and oil mixture..like not pure alcohol or pure alcohol/oil.

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Thumper Better than average Join Date: Jul 2007 My Gallery Real Name: Tom Pocketbikes Owned: 1 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 67	well i would go and try it! But make sure you get the right mixture and the right jetting or your engine will have to say bye! but yh, if you get it going. let us know!